I've tried, god knows I have not to have to include the word 'mystery' in this post but despite several nights of flicking through the NE moth site I can't seem to put a name to these two darlings. Could the first be a faded Hebrew Character? The second was on higher ground at Colt Crag Reservoir. I await the wisdom of those that know and promise faithfully to fall to the ground averting my eyes at the mention of the holy word MACRO.
Edit, the consensus is that Moth 1 is Double Dart & Moth 2 Dark Arches. Thankyou, Ian, Dean & Stewart.